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So I rewatched rogue one last night (finally) and let me tell you…
There is no good reason for the whole team to have died it literally happened because the writers/producers are sadistic assholes who think that the death of main characters is the only way to make a movie //gritty// and //real//
Whereas honestly the movie was already super fucking gritty and tbh it would have been more compelling to know some of all of the team lived on and were going to have to deal with the mental turmoil that people who go through war often face. (Like all the fucking fantastic fanfics that do go on to address this.)
Also all those deaths were just clunky and illogical af. They honestly only did it because they thought they had to.
And just, yeah. Fuck the writers or whoever got to make that decision. Y'all trying to be //deep// by killing people off just shows your lack of critical thinking and creativity.
Okay, I don’t want to start an argument, but I want to explain why (as much as I hate it) I think the entire crew dying was completely logical and, really, necessary for the movie.
From what I understand (from both the movie and novelization) pretty much no rebels that went into Scarif (either with Rogue One or the support troops the rebellion sent in) made it. They were vastly out numbered (both by Stormtroopers and by machinery that Rogue One could not bring with them) in an Imperial facility… Essentially, all the rebels fighting on the beach (Baze and Chirrut included) were pawns that acted as a distraction to give Cassian and Jyn time to steal the plans. From the beginning, the idea of a rogue attack on an Imperial base was a suicide mission; no one on that shuttle thought it was anything else. Baze consciously recognizes this in the novelization (”If a fraction of a second was all Baze had left to give Jyn Erso, it was better than no gift at all”). The rebels on the beach were falling left and right, and it would have been illogical for a bunch of red shirts to die, but somehow have Baze and Chirrut to survive, especially when Bodhi needs them to run out into the middle of blaster fire to change the master switch.
Speaking of Bodhi, as much as I love him, he is not a solider. It takes all his courage to run out into the battle to connect the line from the ship to the comm panel. The only reason he survives as long as he does in the battle is because he was sheltered inside the shuttle. Now, why would some random Stormtrooper decide to throw a grenade one of their own shuttles? A couple of reasons, actually. One: they just watched Bodhi run through the battle (protected by the rebels, even though he’s in an Imperial uniform) and back into the ship. He’s probably not on their side. Two: I’m not certain how organized they were inside the citadel tower, but if they were trying to find where a bunch of rebels came from, Rogue One was likely one of the last ships to pass through the shield gate before the attack began. It wouldn’t be hard for some commander to put the pieces together that the rebels had come in on a stolen shuttle and arrange a squadron specifically targeting it. In short, Bodhi’s hiding place was compromised, with his ability to survive (and the rest of Rogue One’s method of escape) being compromised with it.
What about inside the citadel tower? I’ll start with K-2SO. He died in service to Cassian, his reprogrammer, the man which his loyalty truly belongs to. Where the rebels on the beach were the distraction, meant to draw Stormtroopers away from what Jyn and Cassian were doing, K-2 was the last line of defense. By this point, the Imperials (Krennic and the base commander included) have realized that the data vault has been broken into, so their (logical) response is to send in Stormtroopers to stop rebels from stealing any plans. In the novelization, Kay even goes through the numbers about each different scenario (which I, unfortunately, don’t have on me to quote). He realizes there is no possible scenario in which he, Jyn and Cassian all escape alive. Instead, he calculates that sacrificing himself gives Jyn and Cassian the best chance, not to survive, but to get the Death Star plans to the Rebel Fleet. As stated throughout the movie, the droid is all about the cold, hard facts of a situation. He doesn’t particularly care about dying (if a droid even has a concept of death); he prioritizes the success of the mission over everything else. Locking Jyn and Cassian in the data vault and dying at the hands of an overwhelming number Stormtroopers makes perfectly logical sense.
Next: Jyn and Cassian. To be completely honest, I almost think it’s more illogical that Cassian managed to survive that fall in the data vault and get up to save Jyn from Krennic. Granted, I’m thankful he did, because I’m not sure I would have stopped screaming in agony if Cassian Andor had died on a cold, metal platform all by himself. Now, I’ve heard plenty of people complaining that Jyn and Cassian went straight for the beach when they left the tower because, surely, there had to be a ship somewhere for them to steal, a way to escape. But I don’t think that’s true. All the rebellion’s ships would have fled Scarif at the sight of the Death Star and/or Star Destroyers above the planet (they have no way of knowing if Jyn and Cassian are still alive), or otherwise been shot down on the surface of the planet. Finding an Imperial ship would have meant trekking back through the facility (which is still filled with people wanting to shoot Jyn and Cassian). With how injured both Jyn and Cassian were, it would have taken far too long; the Death Star’s blast likely would have destroyed the base before they located a ship, little lone before Cassian (still grievously injured) could get it into hyperspace. So, instead of spending their last minutes panicking and focusing on an impossible escape, they went down to the beach and greeted their death on their own terms, content to be in each other’s arms.
Don’t get me wrong… I would have loved for them all to have survived. (Honestly, have you read my fics? I’m horrifically obsessed with the crew surviving.) However, I stand by the fact that killing the entire crew – both the characters we had come to love during the course of the movie, and the rebels who don’t get names but join them all the same – was the correct decision for the writers to make. It wasn’t to be “gritty” and it wasn’t “clunky”. Maybe the writers could have manipulated the plot so that they could have survived, but Rogue One didn’t have time to craft a detailed plan of their infiltration of Scarif; surviving through a complex series of plans wouldn’t flow.
I hope you don’t think I’m trying to be rude (I’m really not!) but I just wanted to explain why I think Rogue One’s ending was the best of all the options the writers considered.
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rxbxlcaptain:
whatwill-you-become:
So I rewatched rogue one last night (finally) and let me tell you…
There is no good reason for the whole team to have died it literally happened because the writers/producers are sadistic assholes who think that the death of main characters is the only way to make a movie //gritty// and //real//
Whereas honestly the movie was already super fucking gritty and tbh it would have been more compelling to know some of all of the team lived on and were going to have to deal with the mental turmoil that people who go through war often face. (Like all the fucking fantastic fanfics that do go on to address this.)
Also all those deaths were just clunky and illogical af. They honestly only did it because they thought they had to.
And just, yeah. Fuck the writers or whoever got to make that decision. Y'all trying to be //deep// by killing people off just shows your lack of critical thinking and creativity.
Okay, I don’t want to start an argument, but I want to explain why (as much as I hate it) I think the entire crew dying was completely logical and, really, necessary for the movie.
From what I understand (from both the movie and novelization) pretty much no rebels that went into Scarif (either with Rogue One or the support troops the rebellion sent in) made it. They were vastly out numbered (both by Stormtroopers and by machinery that Rogue One could not bring with them) in an Imperial facility… Essentially, all the rebels fighting on the beach (Baze and Chirrut included) were pawns that acted as a distraction to give Cassian and Jyn time to steal the plans. From the beginning, the idea of a rogue attack on an Imperial base was a suicide mission; no one on that shuttle thought it was anything else. Baze consciously recognizes this in the novelization (”If a fraction of a second was all Baze had left to give Jyn Erso, it was better than no gift at all”). The rebels on the beach were falling left and right, and it would have been illogical for a bunch of red shirts to die, but somehow have Baze and Chirrut to survive, especially when Bodhi needs them to run out into the middle of blaster fire to change the master switch.
Speaking of Bodhi, as much as I love him, he is not a solider. It takes all his courage to run out into the battle to connect the line from the ship to the comm panel. The only reason he survives as long as he does in the battle is because he was sheltered inside the shuttle. Now, why would some random Stormtrooper decide to throw a grenade one of their own shuttles? A couple of reasons, actually. One: they just watched Bodhi run through the battle (protected by the rebels, even though he’s in an Imperial uniform) and back into the ship. He’s probably not on their side. Two: I’m not certain how organized they were inside the citadel tower, but if they were trying to find where a bunch of rebels came from, Rogue One was likely one of the last ships to pass through the shield gate before the attack began. It wouldn’t be hard for some commander to put the pieces together that the rebels had come in on a stolen shuttle and arrange a squadron specifically targeting it. In short, Bodhi’s hiding place was compromised, with his ability to survive (and the rest of Rogue One’s method of escape) being compromised with it.
What about inside the citadel tower? I’ll start with K-2SO. He died in service to Cassian, his reprogrammer, the man which his loyalty truly belongs to. Where the rebels on the beach were the distraction, meant to draw Stormtroopers away from what Jyn and Cassian were doing, K-2 was the last line of defense. By this point, the Imperials (Krennic and the base commander included) have realized that the data vault has been broken into, so their (logical) response is to send in Stormtroopers to stop rebels from stealing any plans. In the novelization, Kay even goes through the numbers about each different scenario (which I, unfortunately, don’t have on me to quote). He realizes there is no possible scenario in which he, Jyn and Cassian all escape alive. Instead, he calculates that sacrificing himself gives Jyn and Cassian the best chance, not to survive, but to get the Death Star plans to the Rebel Fleet. As stated throughout the movie, the droid is all about the cold, hard facts of a situation. He doesn’t particularly care about dying (if a droid even has a concept of death); he prioritizes the success of the mission over everything else. Locking Jyn and Cassian in the data vault and dying at the hands of an overwhelming number Stormtroopers makes perfectly logical sense.
Next: Jyn and Cassian. To be completely honest, I almost think it’s more illogical that Cassian managed to survive that fall in the data vault and get up to save Jyn from Krennic. Granted, I’m thankful he did, because I’m not sure I would have stopped screaming in agony if Cassian Andor had died on a cold, metal platform all by himself. Now, I’ve heard plenty of people complaining that Jyn and Cassian went straight for the beach when they left the tower because, surely, there had to be a ship somewhere for them to steal, a way to escape. But I don’t think that’s true. All the rebellion’s ships would have fled Scarif at the sight of the Death Star and/or Star Destroyers above the planet (they have no way of knowing if Jyn and Cassian are still alive), or otherwise been shot down on the surface of the planet. Finding an Imperial ship would have meant trekking back through the facility (which is still filled with people wanting to shoot Jyn and Cassian). With how injured both Jyn and Cassian were, it would have taken far too long; the Death Star’s blast likely would have destroyed the base before they located a ship, little lone before Cassian (still grievously injured) could get it into hyperspace. So, instead of spending their last minutes panicking and focusing on an impossible escape, they went down to the beach and greeted their death on their own terms, content to be in each other’s arms.
Don’t get me wrong… I would have loved for them all to have survived. (Honestly, have you read my fics? I’m horrifically obsessed with the crew surviving.) However, I stand by the fact that killing the entire crew – both the characters we had come to love during the course of the movie, and the rebels who don’t get names but join them all the same – was the correct decision for the writers to make. It wasn’t to be “gritty” and it wasn’t “clunky”. Maybe the writers could have manipulated the plot so that they could have survived, but Rogue One didn’t have time to craft a detailed plan of their infiltration of Scarif; surviving through a complex series of plans wouldn’t flow.
I hope you don’t think I’m trying to be rude (I’m really not!) but I just wanted to explain why I think Rogue One’s ending was the best of all the options the writers considered.
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